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    Did he really have Coronary artery disease?
    What's with the story about a cardiomyopathy?

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    I tried searching to see if anyone had any info on his autopsy, 'was unsuccessful.
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    Bigdoc

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    • #3
      What is the probability that anyone dying at 75 has postmortem significant Coronary Artery Disease? I guess quite high.
      There are only 10 types of people in the world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

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      • #4
        Should we condemn running since Jim Fixx died of sudden death from an anomolous coronary artery?

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        • #5
          I went back on Atkins Thursday.

          I am already down 5 lbs.

          It works for me.

          Hal

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          • #6
            What does it matter what Dr. Atkins died of? He's one person. Of course, he had a lot of enemies from the dietary establishment to animal rights activists. Did you see him and Dr. Ornish get into it at that diet conference. They almost physically attacked each other. Dr. Ornish, of course, advocates the no meat, no oil diet. I'm not sure I would want to live under those conditions.

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            • #7
              Dr. Ornish

              I thought a vegetarian diet was supposed to reduce your testosterone and make you passive.

              Hal

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              • #8
                Some studies being published now showing low carb diets superior to low fat calorie restricted diets. Atkins laughing in grave.

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                • #9
                  In the main, Dr. Atkins's ideas about the source of obesity in America are proving correct--not the fat intake, but the carb intake. This is corroborated by the dramatic success of gastric bypass over gastric stapling (identical volume restrictions, but the bypass renders the patient carb intolerant). Unfortunately, Dr. Atkins took a good idea and went too far with his NO carbs, rather than LOW carbs, and was too zealous in his cause. Consider him the Martin Luther of nutrition.

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                  • #10
                    I have this novel theory concerning obesity that I would like to run by the group here. I realize it is quite radical and probably will be thoroughly trashed by the medical establishment, the food industry, in fact...the entire American culture. I had this startling revelation the other day after dropping acid that obesity might just result from taking in more calories than are burned. God! I hope I remember this when I'm done trippin'!

                    Timothy Leary Ragster
                    Ragster

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                    • #11
                      No, no, no, silly doctor. Obesity is caused by a "glandular problem". Don't you listen to your patients? It's not *their* fault they're fat...
                      "Devout believers are safeguarded in a high degree against the risk of certain neurotic illnesses; their acceptance of the universal neurosis spares them the task of constructing a personal one." - Sigmund Freud

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                      • #12
                        Dropping acid, that's low carb man, you should have eaten mushrooms, then you could see the light.
                        The FDA has not evaluated my safety or efficacy...

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                        • #13
                          Ragster, you had what the hippies call a "bad trip". It sounds like you started to "freak out". Yes, associating calorie intake and expenditure with body weight may sound "really cool" or "in" but it is counterculture hooey. It's the start of a very slippery slide to harder stuff. I suggest that you stick closer to church-oriented social activities.

                          Big vegan Brother

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                          • #14
                            Thermodynamics 101

                            You are correct.

                            Take in more calories than you burn and you will gain weight.

                            There is more to the story, though.

                            If you feed a 60 pound five-year-old the same 600 calories a day will they stay the same weight?

                            Thermodynamically, yes. But their body will be radically different after ten years at 600 calories a day. Why is that?

                            Why do people with Cushings disease have buffalo humps? Why are morbidly obese women hirsuite? Why was I naturally thin until age 35?

                            What is hunger for, anyway?

                            What would happen if you took someone with Cushings and just locked them up so they could only eat a perfectly balanced diet? Would they look like Olympic althletes?

                            We really don't know the answer to obesity but telling an obese person to just take in fewer calories is like telling a depressed person to just snap out of it.

                            I am doing great on Atkins.

                            Update to follow.

                            Hal

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                            • #15
                              I don't mean to dismiss the covariables in weight gain. This string got a little glib but not due to a desire to diminish the effort we all make to remain fit.

                              I think that the first thing to consider when someone is overweight is the good possibility that exercise is apt to result in healthy weight loss as well as treat depression or improve cognition (1, 2) and favorably affect cardiovascular health including even CHF (3). Exercise is effective both as risk reduction and as treatment for AODM and heart disease (7). Exercise effectively reduces symptoms of IBD (6) and reduces the risk of cancers of the breast and colon (4,5). All of these are probably effects of exercise with which you're familiar but it is good to revisit them.


                              (1)JAMA. 2003 Oct 15;290(15):2015-22. Exercise plus behavioral management in patients with Alzheimer disease: a randomized controlled trial.
                              (2) Int J Ment Health Nurs. 2003 Jun;12(2):130-8. The effects of exercise and social support on mothers reporting depressive symptoms: a pilot randomized controlled trial.
                              (3) Annals of Internal MedicineExercise Training in Patients with Heart Failure A Randomized, Controlled Trial. Steven J. Keteyian, PhD; Arlene B. Levine, MD; Clinton A. Brawner, BS; Takeshi Kataoka, MD; Felix J. Rogers, DO; John R. Schairer, DO; Paul D. Stein, MD; T. Barry Levine, MD; and Sidney Goldstein, MD :15 June 1996;Volume 124 Issue 12;Pages 1051-1057
                              (4) Physical exercise reduces risk of breast cancer in Japanese women.
                              Cancer Sci 2003 Feb;94(2):193-9
                              (5)Physical activity and colon cancer. A systematic review of potential mechanisms. J Sports Med Phys Fitness 2003 Jun;43(2):121-38
                              (6) Clin Gastroenterol Hepatol. 2003 Sep;1(5):345-55. Exercise and gastrointestinal function and disease: an evidence-based review of risks and benefits.
                              (7)The role of exercise in the treatment of cardiovascular disease associated with type 2 diabetes mellitus [In Process Citation]
                              Sports Med 2004;34(1):27-48

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